(Posted by Patrick Sullivan Jr.)
How does gravity work? I don't really know. My tired, non-mercury toxic brain (thanks for keeping me away from mercury amalgams Mom and Dad), is searching I'm thinking maybe something related to magnetism?
Regardless, I don't really care how it works. I just know it works, and it must be "obeyed."
I posted the following FINAL comment at Orac's Insolent Blog. Again most of the first part is out of context as I respond to each individual poster, but it should help to paint a picture of the "anti-anti-mercury crusaders."
After working through every angle of this exhaustively, and challenging the source directly, I have finally reached the same point as Dr. Buttar -- It matters not what the critics of chelation therapy, TD-DMPS or otherwise, think. The stuff just works.
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I shall attempt brevity!
* JP, your argument is wrong. The rest is conjecture. (ie. "I've heard estimates where biomedical treatments can cost up to $100,000 per year, and I'd bet not a whole lot of that is covered by insurance.") Your license to blogpost should be revoked for arguing that as your point.
* Disclosure Anonymous, you said, "Since PS Jr seems so keen on full disclosure, it behooves him to post the correct and proper contact information for Rashid Buttar, D.O."
Rashid A. Buttar, DO, FAAPM, FACAM, FAAIM
Medical Director, Advanced Concepts in Medicine The Center for Advanced Medicine 20721 Torrence Chapel Road, # 101-103 Cornelius, NC 28031 704-895-WELL (9355) www.drbuttar.com
That exact information has been posted numerous times now. Google is free. Use it.
You also said, "Please post his cell phone number or a "hotline" number so he may be easily reached, or YOU lose YOUR "credibility", Patrick."
Give out his cell number or email? How naive do you think I am?
If you're really serious, call his office or write him a letter. I *highly* doubt that my credibility would be at stake in the eyes of Orac's readers -- even the ones that despise me -- for failing to meet your demands M. Anonymous...
* Dianne, thanks for the education about Aspirin. Quite honestly, it went right over my head though. I mean, I tried to read it but I don't know half those words. And why should I, I'm got my degree in marketing!
But by NO means did it help explain away empirical evidence.
PS - "Painkillers cause fatal stomach bleeding"
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TO: Orac
FROM: HCN
SENT: 5 minutes after I posted this
SUBJECT: Haha!
There goes that idiot altie citing just ONE medical study.
Btw, will you be at the polo grounds this weekend?
Sincerely,
HCN
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* Anonymous with question about mercury amalgams, HCN is right. This is not the forum for discussion about mercury amalgams, but only because Orac is the LAST PERSON in the world you should be talking to. Start with www.IAOMT.org instead.
Or go visit Pat Sullivan Blog since he writes about "silver fillings" on a regular basis.
* HCN, Kristi is spot on -- do you really need to make fun of Anon for talking about a movie? Anon had a good point since autism is mercury poisoning.
And everyone here already knows how you feel on that issue, so please spare us your reply composed of something as stupid as everything else you have written so far. You are adding nothing!
If you wish to debate, the only thing OPEN for debate right now empirical evidence.
Except for the fact it is actually CLOSED for debate. Source: Every one of my dozen bloviating posts to the Rude/Insolent Blog. (hey, I'm getting sick of writing all this down over and over again!)
* Kev, while I don't agree with your positions, I genuinely appreciate your attempt to keep things cordial (most of the time ;-) here and on Pat Sullivan Blog. You're a fine bloke. God love the British. (And God help us with comment formatting! ;-)
* Alfalfamoo, see comment to Dianne RE: aspirin.
And Dr. Coles does exist.
(Btw, the handle selection on this blog is awesome. Everyone on Orac's "team" gives me the visual picture of a bunch of anti-anti-mercury super-heroes! LOL ;-)
So why do I like Dr. Buttar? Fair question. I like him because he is a maverick and he doesn't give a F*** what any of you caped anti-crusaders think.
That takes character. That takes backbone.
I'm proud to defend him because as you can so painfully see through my THOUSANDS of words (wasted?) on Orac's blog, I have made the man explain himself to me so that I would "get it!"
* JP, Because of your last paragraph to Kristi, where for the first time in the history of this blog, a point was conceded by someone other than me (ie. "good for parents who are finding that chelation works"), I re-invoke your blogpost license. ;-)
* i2bpacific, you said, "with my $200 an ounce hand lotion that isn't proven to do a thing.
AGAIN, read EVERYTHING I've written here about EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE. No one but Orac has even attempted to touch this. And Orac failed miserably by trying to argue the same points about absorbability et al. which I had already TAKEN from him.
The only logical position you are left with is, "let's see the kids."
You want some parents to drive some of their cured kids over to your house?????
You want the 6NEWS Investigators to film it?
Then post your address. Setup a hotline so they can schedule visits.
You guys are just jerks!
Lastly, I ask that the "jury of readers" compare your non-scientifically based analysis of "homecooked labs from Doctor's Data" versus the fact that on paper, in living color, when the test shows metals coming out, symptoms abate.
Audience?
i2bpacific, you label these parents as ignorant rather quickly. A look in the mirror might be called for.
You say, "...he says thousands of children are being chelated. (snip) Pat, wanna ask him?"
I already have.
I got the answer at 9/1/05 9:01am EST. For brevity sake (which is a joke at this point), here is the paraphrase of 4 rounds of emails:
Patrick Jr.: Dr. Buttar, for supporting the "empirical evidence" argument, it would be really helpful to know how many patients have had symptoms improve or disappear under your protocol (both you and the other docs practicing).
Dr. Buttar: I have treated over 180 myself....and a number of doctors have over a 100 patients each. I would estimate the number up to at least a 1000 or more that have been treated.
Answering how many have had symptoms improve is more difficult given that the process usually takes 18 months to slowly and safely chelate out metals and continually replenish minerals....but I think it would be VERY safe to say that most have had significant improvement, to the point that SOME parents have stated if they see no further improvements, they would be satisfied with the result attained thus far.
What is significant? Well, if you have a child that's 8 years old in diapers, and becomes potty trained in 4 months after starting TD-DMPS, I consider that HIGHLY significant.
Percentage response would be like giving you windage....I have no idea but I would certainly say it should be greater than 50% improvement to date if averaged among all of them.
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It should be noted that Dr. Buttar's testimony to Congress was on May 4, 2004 -- 485 days ago from today. 485 days is roughly 16 months.
Still want to continue bloviating about lack of clinical studies and ignoring the empirical proof?
***TO ALL ORAC-ITES*** I'm exhausted from writing long posts and making astoundingly good arguments on the Insolent blog, only to come back to see that 99% of my arguments are totally ignored by you. Instead, you use google to see if Dr. Coles really does teach at UCLA. (Thanks to Kevin Greenlee, who doesn't even like Dr. Buttar, we learn that Dr. Coles does in fact work at UCLA.)
Orac, you are proving to your 994 average daily readers that you really cannot debate the facts that I am bringing to the table. And we have seen that none of you can. That may sound haughty, but it really has NOTHING to do with me: an empirical fact is non-debatable, period.
SO UNLESS YOU CHOOSE TO MAINTAIN YOUR OWN "FIRMLY HELD BELIEVES" THAT YOU WRONGLY ACCUSE ME OF HAVING, YOU MUST STOP IGNORING THE FACT THAT THERE IS EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE WHICH CONCLUSIVELY PROVES YOUR POSITION UTTERLY WRONG.
DEBATE OVER!
Yet you still will refuse, as if I had been "talking to walls" this whole time.
And you'll all continue to scream at Buttar, "SHOW ME THE MONEY, er...kids!! No, crap, uhh...show me both you greedy bastard!!"
And speaking of movies, I feel like I'm having an "Old School" moment with the collective bunch of you embodied in the character of James Carville during which he tries to think of a rebuttal to Will Ferrell's argument during the collegiate debate.
Carville: "Umm...well...we have nothing left to say...That answer was perfect."
Cue: Roar of crowd!
Orac, you said, "Game, set, match, but the winner isn't Dr. Buttar."
This match is between you and me "pal." WE are the ones who are volleying.
My "racquet" is Dr. Buttar. Yours is HCN. (Or Autism Diva, or whoever.)
You should remember that the players themselves don't ever judge the match.
Could Orac be the metaphorical Andy Rodick?
I must admit that it has been tiring, but fun as hell to have been the "Cinderella story," coming out of nowhere, upsetting the #1 seed on his home court.
Cue: Roar of Crowd!
- Patrick Sullivan Jr., "Giant" Killer
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PS - So much for brevity, eh? :)
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Autism - If not mercury, then what? (8/31/05)
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